Topps Panel Discussion Day 2 At the 2012 NSCC

Topps employees held a discussion with dealers but mostly collectors from around the industry at the 2012 National Sports Collectors Convention on Thursday. Ryan from Sports Card Radio attended the event, and tweeted lots of the topics that were discussed. A video of the event might be posted as well - but here are the Tweets from @SportsCardNews during the panel discussion with some added context/links.

Topps: Mark Sapir VP of sports opening presentation. (1)

Topps: we don't like redemptions. We call the agent of a player all the time to get signing session (2)

Sapir: how do u define the value when sending a 'replacement' card. (3)

Redemption extra hit? Don't think so says Sapir (4)

More we do on card (autographs) - harder to ship product on time

Topps: use Beckett and eBay to determine replacement cards. (3.1)

Topps: eBay more real time then Beckett value (3.2)

Topps: 3m stickers cost a lot.... That's why they don't use them

Topps: we try! (to get athletes to sign) We tweet athletes now to sign.

Topps: We deal with the agents. Not the athlete typically. (to get cards signed)

Topps: Minor league sets are tougher to make autograph content.

Topps: 2013 Topps Archives Baseball will include autos picked by collectors.

Topps: 2013 Archives Baseball will have different card stock

Topps: only a certain amount of products we can make. Need to maximize calander

Topps: we used to release unlimited sku's (Products) (5)

Topps: I go to @FCBsportscards (Forum) a lot

Topps: airbrush images are necessary at times

Series 2 we may have been lazy with Prince Fielder image... But its tough with timetable to release product

Topps: willow cove was made up. But Topps employee was at wedding in Willow Cove

Topps: depends on product to decide which cards to short print

Topps: We messed up the Tony Gwynn Sp card in 2012 Gypsy Queen.

Topps: The editor of 2012 Gypsy Queen. That was his 1st product he worked on

Topps: we don't release case print runs because its a business decision (6)

Topps: 5 star baseball is going to be a beautiful product (when it comes out later this year)

Topps: if we didn't put Bryce Harper in S2 we would have taken heat from collectors

Topps: we know people will be unhappy. But we have to make tough decisions on product content

Topps: when Bryce Harper got called up everyone had to work the weekend to get him in the sets.

Topps: we don't want to flood market w/ UFC Cards. Keep it at 3 releases

Topps: John F. Kennedy hair relic in 2012 Topps Allen & Ginter was bought from collector

Topps: we don't cut corners when it comes to authentication

Topps: no plans for factory set for new mini set.

Topps: we can't just do a Beatles card. (7)

But they would love to do Beatles set if $$$ is right

Topps: yes true story all those 52 Topps cards in Hudson river..... Where Lineage went. (8)

WWE cards are entertainment side. Don't ask any (sports) employee about that stuff

2012 Topps Olympic product. Luke warm sales at 1st

Topps got Olympic product done in short window. From license with USOC to pack out

Topps: value box big hits are not on purpose (9)

Topps: add value with wrapper redemption. S1 went well. Cost us a lot of $.

Topps: underestimated demand for Bowman wrapper redemption

Topps: case breakers sent in packs early. Ended up bring frustrating to collectors.
Threw out early wrappers that got sent in

Topps: hopefully we improve with wrapper redemptions in future

Topps: we have so many distribution channels its tough to regulate people who get product early (10)

Topps: Bowman Draft hard to sell at retail after season. That's why they made it hobby only (11)

Topps: Target Walmart can ship product back. Then gets destroyed (12)

Topps: moving forward less 4 players 'rookie cards' like in 2012 Heritage

Topps: we don't love that we run out of nscc wrapper redemption cards. We need a better way. Line for hour. Then we run out if cards (13)

Topps: always a chance at NHL license. We would love it

Topps: we'd love to be in every sport

Topps: process of getting feedback on Bowman TV ads from dealers. Initially good signs

Topps: hard to quantify TV ad success

Topps: look for a big Bowman set next year.

Topps: etopps is dead. Done. Finished


Below are additional notes Ryan Tedards added after the show. Please keep in mind, the things written below are meant to add color to the presentation. Not actual quotes or things that were said by Topps.
Topps: Mark Sapir VP of sports opening presentation.
(1) Mark Sapir can be found on Twitter here: @marksapir

Topps: we don't like redemptions. We call the agent of a player all the time to get signing session
(2) As sports fans well know, agents will typically handle all marketing requests and endorsements for the athletes they represent. Some high profile athletes even have special "marketing agents" that only handle endorsements and do not get into the contract negotiations of that player. The leagues like the NBA and NFL limit the amount of money an agent can take from a player from a contract negotiation. But an agent with Sun West Sports told me that when they get a deal with Topps (or another card company) the agent can take "30-40%" of that compensation.

Sapir: how do u define the value when sending a 'replacement' card.
Topps: use Beckett and eBay to determine replacement cards.
Topps: eBay more real time then Beckett value
(3) This refers to when you pull a redemption card, and Topps will not be able to send you that card. Sapir was saying it's tricky to decide the card you will get as a replacement. Maybe the card you were waiting for was of your favorite player and you didn't care about eBay or Beckett value. You really wanted that card. So it's tough for Topps because they know collectors look at the hobby in different ways.

Redemption extra hit? Don't think so says Sapir
(4) So if a product has "2 hits per box" those would be "live" in the product. Any redemption card would be an extra hit in the box. Sapir says that won't happen.
Topps: we used to release unlimited sku's (Products)
(5) Topps used to be able to make an unlimited amount of products in a year for the MLB. Now they are limited - by the MLB - with how many that can release each baseball season.
Topps: we don't release case print runs because its a business decision
(6) This refers to announcing "how many cases they made of (insert product name)." Topps will not do this for a number of reasons. For one, they are a privately held company and releasing that type of information could help their competitors (like Upper Deck and Panini) get an idea how big of a business Topps is, or to put it another way, how much money they make. Also, in respect to the cards themselves, releasing the total print run of a product might "limit" the value a card may have. Collectors pay very close attention to serial numbering and the overall "rareness" of a card. Having those numbers set in stone might close off the market to mainstream sets that have huge print runs.
Topps: we can't just do a Beatles card.
(7) Topps just can't make a set called 2012 Topps Beatles Collection. Topps would need to negotiate with the party that holds the rights to the Beatles name and trademark. And let's not kid ourselves, that wouldn't come cheap. The same way Topps has to negotiate a licensing deal with the MLB, NFL, United States Olympic Committee, etc, they would need that same type of "deal" with whomever controls the Beatles properties.
Topps: yes true story all those 52 Topps cards in Hudson river..... Where Lineage went.
(8) Topps couldn't sell all the 1952 Topps Baseball cards they made. So back then they sent them out and dumped them into the Hudson River. Amazing to think about. In one of the funniest moments of the presentation, one of the Topps guys said "Where (2011 Topps) Lineage went." I busted out laughing.
Topps: value box big hits are not on purpose
(9) Refering to the Baseball Value Boxes that collectors were reporting they were getting huge pulls from. Forums like Blowout Cards and Freedom Cardboard have threads with collectors showing off their hits from those products.
Topps: we have so many distribution channels its tough to regulate people who get product early
(10) So distribution channel - for the Hobby Box side, they have to ship out to all their authorized distributors. Then of course there are places like Target and WalMart that have their own, totally separate vendors that handle getting the retail boxes into the stores. It's almost impossible for Topps to control when a place like WalMart puts their product on the shelf. Some regions of the country may get product first. Some distributors may get the product a day or two before the other one. It's a tricky business.
Topps: Bowman Draft hard to sell at retail after season. That's why they made it hobby only
(11) 2012 Bowman Draft Baseball will be a hobby only release. Typically you see that product available at Target and WalMart (like $19.99 blasters and $2.99 packs). Now that product will only be sold in hobby stores and online at places like Blowout Cards and DACardWorld.
Topps: Target Walmart can ship product back. Then gets destroyed
(12) Apparently they even destroy them at WalMart themselves. Check out this tweet.
Topps: we don't love that we run out of nscc wrapper redemption cards. We need a better way. Line for hour. Then we run out if cards
(13) Topps only gave away 100 sets of the Bowman Platinum cards and Gypsy Queen 9 card set each day. Before any paying collector was allowed in, Topps would have a line of 40 people already in line. How? Dealers would line up and get them. Look for Topps to have a new gameplan in 2013 in Chicago. They took a lot of heat for this years handling of the wrapper redemption cards.

2012 Donruss Elite Football Case Topps gave away a ton of boxes and cards during the presentation. But I thought it was real funny they were giving away these prizes from an empty case box of 2012 Donruss Elite Football. The picture is blurry - but just trust me on that. I got a chuckle from it. You can also see the box in the picture at the top of the page.

2012 Topps Joe Namath Bart Starr Card They also gave away cards from the yet to "street" 2012 Topps Football (although I think there were already cards on eBay from retail breaks). Topps even said, with a smile, "Don't sell these cards on eBay until Wednesday (August 8, 2012)". But check out one of the cards a nice young man won. It's a picture of Joe Namath but it says Bart Starr at the bottom. We shall see if that card is corrected in the actual set (waiting to find one on eBay). Could make this "error" card very, very rare.

Overall Impressions: Really awesome of Topps to have such an event for collectors at the 2012 National Convention. They have had other such Q&A sessions at past NSCC's. Mark Sapir literally opened the presentation up for questions. He didn't have some kind of speech or power point or anything. Which I thought was fantastic. Besides Twitter, this is a great way for you to get your answer about a question you might have. To me, this is a must attend event if you go to the NSCC. I had flashbacks to the 2012 Las Vegas Industry Summit - when day after day they had company presentations.

Every Card Company should have one of these @ the NSCC

 

Microphone IconAudio From NSCC
@SportsCardNews Interview About Topps Panel Discussion
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio

More 2012 #NSCC Show Coverage:

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Day 3 Links - Photo Albums - Video - More

Day 4 Links - Photo Albums - Video - More

Day 5 Links - Photo Albums - Video - More

2012 National Sports Collectors Convention Show Floor

Day #2 At The NSCC In Baltimore

Thursday August 2, 2012

NSCC Location: 1 W Pratt Street - Baltimore, MD 21201 - Google Map

According to the NSCC Official Website - The Thursday Show Hours Are 10am - 6pm EST

Letter A IconThursday August 2nd Autograph Signers
  • 11:00 AM Roger Wehrli (VIP)
  • 1:30 PM Dexter Manley (VIP)
  • 2:00 PM Chris Hoiles (VIP)
  • 2:15 PM Tom Matte (VIP)
  • 2:30 PM Tippy Martinez (VIP)
  • 3:00 PM Darryl Dawkins
  • 4:00 PM Norm Snead
Jennie Finch - Cancelled
Jack Youngblood - Cancelled
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Sports Card Radio
Ryan Tedards - Sports Card Radio
All About Cards
Baseball Nut - All About Cards
Field Level View
J. - Field Level View
Panini America
Panini Staff - Panini America
Blog IconDay #2 Blogs From NSCC
Day Two Nightly Recap
August 2, 2012 - All About Cards
2012 National Day 2 Report
August 2, 2012 - Field Level View
Black Swamp Find Benefits Everyone
August 2, 2012 - Beckett
Sneak Peak At 2012 Topps Football
August 2, 2012 - All About Cards
Panini Wrapper Redemption Set
August 2, 2012 - RJ Game Reviews
Day 2 From National
August 2, 2012 - Those Back Pages
Day 2 From National
August 2, 2012 - Things Are Funner Here
Gypsy Queen Mini Cards
August 2, 2012 - RJ Game Reviews
National History
August 2, 2012 - RJ Game Reviews
Editor's Blog From National
August 2, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
Babe Ruth Ball Sells $388,375
August 2, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
Topps Panel Discussion Notes
Rayn Tedards - Sports Card Radio
Panini Kicks Off NSCC
Tracy Hackler - Panini America
TV IconVideos From NSCC
Ripping 2012 Topps Mini
August 2, 2012 - Beckett
1984 Topps Baseball Pack Break
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
First Time Dealer Sets Up At Show
August 2, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
Benchwarmers Booth
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
DA Card World Booth
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Panini America Booth
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
TriStar Autograph Pavilion
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Babe Ruth Autograph Baseball
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
TriStar Merchandise Booth
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Microphone IconAudio From NSCC
@SportsCardNews Interview
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio

 

NSCC Highlights
Day One Nightly Recap
August 1, 2012 - All About Cards
Wrapper Redemption/VIP Sets
Panini America - Upper Deck - Topps
2012 National Day 2 Report
August 2, 2012 - Field Level View
Topps Panel Discussion Notes
Rayn Tedards - Sports Card Radio
Day #1 Link Portal
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #4 Link Portal
August 4, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #3 Link Portal
August 3, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #5 Link Portal
August 5, 2012 - Sports Card Radio

NSCC Location: 1 W Pratt Street - Baltimore, MD 21201 - Google Map

According to the NSCC Official Website - The Thursday Show Hours Are 10am - 6pm EST



The 1st of August marks the first day of the National Sports Collectors Convention (NSCC)

According to the NSCC Official Website - The Wednesday Show Hours Are 4pm - 8pm EST

NSCC Location: 1 W Pratt Street - Baltimore, MD 21201 - Google Map

2012 National Sports Collectors Convention Floor

Manufactures, collectible shops, big time athletes and most importantly collectors from all over will make the trip to Baltimore this week to attend the NSCC. We'll try to keep you updated on some of the happenings around the event. There are lots of different exclusive promotions and give-a-ways, so if you like free stuff, you'll want to keep an eye out to see if you can win something.

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Blog IconDay #1 Blogs From NSCC
Day One Nightly Recap
August 1, 2012 - All About Cards
2012 National Day One
August 1, 2012 - Those Back Pages
The Ginter Code Cracked
August 1, 2012 - Twitter
Autograph Signers Cancel
August 1, 2012 - Beckett News
NSCC Day One Sneak Peak
August 1, 2012 - Things Are Funner Here
Panini Wrapper Redemption Pulls
August 1, 2012 - RJGamesReviews
National Convention Freebies
August 1, 2012 - RJGamesReviews
Info On Panini At National
August 1, 2012 - Panini America
Rated Rookie T-Shirts
August 1, 2012 - Panini America
Heading To Baltimore
August 1, 2012 - All About Cards

TV IconDay #1 Videos From NSCC

TriStar Autograph Pavilion
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Babe Ruth Autograph Baseball
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
TriStar Merchandise Booth
August 1, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
SportsCollectorsDaily Day 1 Video
August 1, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
FCBSportsCards Live Breaks
August 1, 2012 - FreedomCardBoard
Blowout Cards Live Breaks
August 1, 2012 - Blowout Cards
Sneak Peak At Panini Promo
August 1, 2012 - Panini America

Camera IconPhotographs
Sports Card Radio
Ryan Tedards - Sports Card Radio

All About Cards
Baseball Nut - All About Cards
Panini America
Panini Staff - Panini America
Field Level View
J. - Field Level View
Microphone IconAudio From NSCC
@SportsCardNews Interview
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio

Early Blogs From NSCC Bloggers Convention Coverage
July 31, 2012 - All About Cards
Cal Ripken Like NSCC Streak
July 31, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
Tracy Hackler On A Card
July 31, 2012 - Beckett
Upper Deck Case Breaker Promo
July 31, 2012 - Upper Deck Blog
Historic Jerseys On Display
July 31, 2012 - Sports Collectors Daily
Cardboard's Biggest Show
July 31, 2012 - ESPN
Panini Instant Win Promo
July 30, 2012 - Panini America
Links On Other Show Days
Day #2 Link Portal
August 2, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #4 Link Portal
August 4, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #3 Link Portal
August 3, 2012 - Sports Card Radio
Day #5 Link Portal
August 5, 2012 - Sports Card Radio

According to the NSCC Official Website - The Wednesday Show Hours Are 4pm - 8pm EST

NSCC Location: 1 W Pratt Street - Baltimore, MD 21201 - Google Map


Trevor Bauer Autograph Baseball Arizona Diamondbacks
Trevor Bauer
MLB Debut: June 28, 2012

1st Autograph Rookie Logo Cards:
2012 Topps Finest Baseball

Trevor Bauer is a unique pitcher and a guy who has been on the radar of card collectors even before he was picked #3 overall by the Arizona Diamondbacks in the 2011 MLB Draft.  He is known for his quirky workout regimen which includes a long toss that will leave you astounded when you see how far he can throw a baseball.  Bauer was called up to the big show and will make his MLB debut on June 28, 2012.  He has had some success in the minors but detractors point to a modestly high walk total and concerns that he may be a good #2-3 starter, and not a lights out #1 type guy.

In 2009 Upper Deck released a Team USA Baseball set and Bauer was on the US squad and has base, autographs and game used cards available in that set. 2010 Bowman Baseball also featured Bauer in a USA uniform. Bauer fans finally got a chance to see him with cards in a Diamondbacks uniform in 2011 Bowman Draft Baseball and 2011 Bowman Sterling. Some of his rare parallel autographs from that set sold for hundreds of dollars while he was pitching in the minor leagues.
Trevor Bauer Arizona Diamondbacks Pitcher
If you've been collecting baseball cards the last several years you will know about the Rookie Card Logo Rule. Once Bauer was called up to the major leagues it allows Topps to include him into sets with that rookie card logo. That opens up the number of sets they can put him in and expect to see Bauer in most of the sets Topps will release in late 2012 (see list below).

What I think of Bauer:
I saw Bauer make a minor league start in late 2011. The warm-up routine leaves you stunned. His long toss extends the entire outfield. It will blow your mind. The time he took just to stretch before the game takes longer then most pitchers full warm-up before a game. He has a ton of pitches in his repitore and that from what I've heard can get him in trouble with pitch counts and walks. Often compared to Tim Lincecum, for Bauer though, in my opinion his stuff isn't on par with Timmy when he debuted with the Giants. Not a knock on Bauer - but Lincecum was dominant in his brief time in the minors and then won back-to-back Cy Young Awards.

Market for his cards:
If he pitches well - it will send a pop in the value of his cards. He has to pitch well. If he struggles even a little bit it could leave collectors wishing they sold when the hype was building for Trevor in the minor leagues. The Diamondbacks play in a hitters yard and are on the outside looking in for a playoff berth, if he doesn't show strong flashes collectors may shift their focus to Bauer's teammates yet to reach the MLB - Tyler Skaggs and Archie Bradley.

What Sets Have Bauer Rookie Card Logos?
Release Dates Subject To Change - Check Link for More Info

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